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Rules of Golf
Another group returned my ball as I was about to drop – is it lost?

published: Jan 28, 2026

Another group returned my ball as I was about to drop – is it lost?

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If your ball turns up as a search is reaching a climax, can you replace it or are you on the hook for stroke-and-distance?

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  • Lost ball rule: replace the ball or take stroke-and-distance?

You can do everything right. You can plan for failure. You can even try to cover all the angles. But in an outdoor game, fate can still play a big role.

As this email poser will illustrate:

“My second shot ended up short left of the green near the carts of the group playing in front of us teeing off at the next hole. By the time we made it to where my ball should have landed, they had already left.

“We searched for my ball but could not find it. As I was about to take a drop, the group in front of us drove back to us and they had my ball. What had happened was, it must have hit the cart path and ended up on the floorboards of their cart. How do I proceed in this instance?”

You’ve got the ball back, so all is well. Or is it?

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Lost ball rule: Replace the ball or take stroke-and-distance?

Let’s start with our old friend ‘known or virtually certain’. If you know, or are virtually certain, that an outside influence lifted or moved your ball at rest – that includes any person – there is no penalty and you replace the ball on its original spot.

This applies whether or not it is found and you can estimate if you don’t know exactly where that spot is.

Just to reiterate, known or virtually certain means there is “conclusive evidence” an event has happened – you’ve seen it or someone else has seen it – or it’s at least 95% likely it happened.

Does it sound like our emailer knows or is virtually certain? I’m not sure it does, principally because they spent a period looking for the ball, couldn’t find it and weren’t aware it had gone on a journey with the group in front until it was returned.

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So without that, it comes down to time. You know you’ve only got three minutes to search for a ball. If the group in front return the ball while that clock is still ticking then all is good. Replace and crack on.

If the sands have run out, though, the ball is lost and your only option is stroke-and-distance relief – even though you’ve got said ball back in your hands!

Here’s the crushing confirmation in Rule 9.6: “If it is not known or virtually certain that the ball was lifted or moved by an outside influence and the ball is lost, the player must take stroke-and-distance relief under Rule 18.2.”

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Despite the changes to the Rules of Golf in 2019 and 2023, there are still some that leave us scratching our heads. I’ll try to help by featuring the best of your queries in this column.

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About the author

Steve Carroll
Steve Carroll

A journalist for more than 25 years, Steve has been immersed in club golf for almost as long.

A former club captain, he has passed the Level 3 Rules of Golf exam with distinction having attended the R&A’s prestigious Tournament Administrators and Referees Seminar.

Steve has officiated at a host of high-profile tournaments, including Open Regional Qualifying, PGA Fourball Championship, English Men’s Senior Amateur, and the North of England Amateur Championship. In 2023, he made his international debut as part of the team that refereed England vs Switzerland U16 girls.

A part of NCG’s Top 100s panel, Steve has a particular love of links golf and is frantically trying to restore his single-figure handicap. He’d like to tell you he floats around 10. The reality is more like 13.

Steve plays at Sandburn Hall, in York, and is a country member at Close House in Newcastle. He has served on various club committees during his time in the game, and is the current Rules Secretary at Sandburn.

Having studied history at Newcastle University, he became a journalist having passed his NCTJ exams at Darlington College of Technology. He began his career working on weekly papers in Newcastle, before joining the York Press in 2001. After five years as a news reporter, he joined the sports desk – specialising in horse racing and snooker – and was Digital Sports Editor when he joined National Club Golfer in 2016.

What’s in Steve’s bag: TaylorMade Stealth 2 driver, 3-wood, and hybrids; Caley 01T irons 4-PW; TaylorMade Hi-Toe wedges, Odyssey 2Ball Microhinge putter.

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